Independence is taken for granted.

[Cody the cat]

Regaining consciousness looking up from the floor. A bit confusing and frightening to say the least.
Not from pounding beers or shots of tequila.
Not from being knocked out in a fight.
Not from anything you created or control.
Epilepsy. What a pisser.
3 years ago I was diagnosed and it was determined that years of motocross anarchy was catching up with my body.
Some here know that I have a badass 67 Mercury. Unfortunately I don’t drive it anymore. Start it up,back it out of the garage, warm it up, and give it some sun once a week has become the routine.

After finding the right medication and being seizure free, the Drs. cleared me to drive again. Great! I did just that for about 2 months but had reservations. Uncomfortable and uneasy is a good description. Passenger safety was barely a thought in 1967. No doubt whatsoever I would be maimed or killed in an accident.
Id accepted that possibility.
The issue was what damages and possible deaths to other drivers could i be responsible for. This was the issue. So removing the possibility, I stopped driving.

Finally to the point of this long post, could autonomous vehicles give me independence again?
I don’t convulse and thrash about, I simply
lose conciseness for a moment and drop to the floor. Would autonomous vehicles take over if I did have an momentary issue? Or would I have to have full autonomy set all the time.
Thoughts would be appreciated and valued.
Autonomous vehicles is why I have followed Tesla for years. They know what they are doing and could possibly change my life.

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[ajdelange]

There has been a fair amount of media attention to videos in which Tesla drivers on autopilot have been captured zonked out at the wheel by drivers in adjacent vehicles whilst on the freeway. In none of these cases has there been an accident AFAIK. But the reception of these videos has been less than enthusiastic. Some politician in Mass, has proposed legislation banning the use of autopilot for this reason alone. Thus though it appears that what Tesla is calling Level 3 could probably get you through a petit mal episode I would not, based on my expeience with it (autopilot that is), want to stake my life or that of others on it.

 

[Cody the cat]

There has been a fair amount of media attention to videos in which Tesla drivers on autopilot have been captured zonked out at the wheel by drivers in adjacent vehicles whilst on the freeway. In none of these cases has there been an accident AFAIK. But the reception of these videos has been less than enthusiastic. Some politician in Mass, has proposed legislation banning the use of autopilot for this reason alone. Thus though it appears that what Tesla is calling Level 3 could probably get you through a petit mal episode I would not, based on my expeience with it (autopilot that is), want to stake my life or that of others on it.

I definitely understand the hesitation on your part. I have it as well.
I’ve seen the videos of ppl sleeping while on autopilot and understand some of the negative responses. I’d like to bring up something to think about:::
People fear what they don’t understand.
Autonomous vehicles freak ppl out. They don’t get it, trust it, or comprehend it.
Don’t even ask some people to spell it.
My situation is a bit different. Since I lose momentarily conciseness, drs. categorize mine as grand mal. But again, no convulsing and just short term blackout.
What I was thinking about is does autonomous mode allow override by the driver? Meaning could I drive like normal but autonomous mode keep me from drifting lanes or running off the road if there was an issue?

 

[PACEMD]

I would first be sure that medical diagnosis is accurate. That sounds more like syncope than a seizure.

 

[lukefrisbee]

So your doc cleared you to drive, and that is a normal vehicle? And you're concerned about you being a safety issue when you drive a tesla with the assisted driving?
Dude, where I live docs don't just say, "You might be OK to drive." But the assisted drive is some extra protection.

 

[ReddykwRun]

I definitely understand the hesitation on your part. I have it as well.
I’ve seen the videos of ppl sleeping while on autopilot and understand some of the negative responses. I’d like to bring up something to think about:::
People fear what they don’t understand.
Autonomous vehicles freak ppl out. They don’t get it, trust it, or comprehend it.
Don’t even ask some people to spell it.
My situation is a bit different. Since I lose momentarily conciseness, drs. categorize mine as grand mal. But again, no convulsing and just short term blackout.
What I was thinking about is does autonomous mode allow override by the driver? Meaning could I drive like normal but autonomous mode keep me from drifting lanes or running off the road if there was an issue?

I was under the impression that a momentary blackout was a "petite mal" and a full-on rock and roll was "grand mal". My brother had epilepsy starting as a teenager due to a concussion (was the theory). After years of seizure free living and the right meds, he was allowed to drive. I had the opportunity to take care of him a few times when a grand mal seizure occurred and I got better with removing both our eyewear quickly and cradling his head with my interlocked hands at maximum extension so he would not injure himself. Sometimes he even moved quickly outside on the soft grass if he felt one coming on which was helpful for all.

Keep in mind that even with FSD the DRIVER can still take control (Manual Override) and steer the vehicle if an obvious need presented itself. If someone was moving the steering wheel strongly enough the car would not know the difference and will relinquish full command to the driver and if that someone was incapacitated with a seizure the results could be disastrous. I have taken a few Tesla's for a test drive recently and It does not work in reverse which I think what your question is about. I would not recommend driving until stabilized with meds and released by a doctor. Question: Do you have a service dog to assist you with premonition of one coming on, they are a blessing.

 

[ReddykwRun]

Regaining consciousness looking up from the floor. A bit confusing and frightening to say the least.
Not from pounding beers or shots of tequila.
Not from being knocked out in a fight.
Not from anything you created or control.
Epilepsy. What a pisser.
3 years ago I was diagnosed and it was determined that years of motocross anarchy was catching up with my body.
Some here know that I have a badass 67 Mercury. Unfortunately I don’t drive it anymore. Start it up,back it out of the garage, warm it up, and give it some sun once a week has become the routine.

After finding the right medication and being seizure free, the Drs. cleared me to drive again. Great! I did just that for about 2 months but had reservations. Uncomfortable and uneasy is a good description. Passenger safety was barely a thought in 1967. No doubt whatsoever I would be maimed or killed in an accident.
Id accepted that possibility.
The issue was what damages and possible deaths to other drivers could i be responsible for. This was the issue. So removing the possibility, I stopped driving.

Finally to the point of this long post, could autonomous vehicles give me independence again?
I don’t convulse and thrash about, I simply
lose conciseness for a moment and drop to the floor. Would autonomous vehicles take over if I did have an momentary issue? Or would I have to have full autonomy set all the time.
Thoughts would be appreciated and valued.
Autonomous vehicles is why I have followed Tesla for years. They know what they are doing and could possibly change my life.

Man with tears in my eyes I hear you but I don't think we are there yet. Maybe someday soon. With the morons on the road with their attention focused on other distractions, electronic and otherwise it would definitely be an improvement. I lost my brother who had epilepsy in 1993, he was murdered.

 

[Cody the cat]

I was under the impression that a momentary blackout was a "petite mal" and a full-on rock and roll was "grand mal". My brother had epilepsy starting as a teenager due to a concussion (was the theory). After years of seizure free living and the right meds, he was allowed to drive. I had the opportunity to take care of him a few times when a grand mal seizure occurred and I got better with removing both our eyewear quickly and cradling his head with my interlocked hands at maximum extension so he would not injure himself. Sometimes he even moved quickly outside on the soft grass if he felt one coming on which was helpful for all.

Keep in mind that even with FSD the DRIVER can still take control (Manual Override) and steer the vehicle if an obvious need presented itself. If someone was moving the steering wheel strongly enough the car would not know the difference and will relinquish full command to the driver and if that someone was incapacitated with a seizure the results could be disastrous. I have taken a few Tesla's for a test drive recently and It does not work in reverse which I think what your question about. I would not recommend driving until stabilized with meds and released by a doctor. Question: Do you have a service dog to assist you with premonition of one coming on, they are a blessing.

 

[Cody the cat]

I was under the impression that a momentary blackout was a "petite mal" and a full-on rock and roll was "grand mal". My brother had epilepsy starting as a teenager due to a concussion (was the theory). After years of seizure free living and the right meds, he was allowed to drive. I had the opportunity to take care of him a few times when a grand mal seizure occurred and I got better with removing both our eyewear quickly and cradling his head with my interlocked hands at maximum extension so he would not injure himself. Sometimes he even moved quickly outside on the soft grass if he felt one coming on which was helpful for all.

Keep in mind that even with FSD the DRIVER can still take control (Manual Override) and steer the vehicle if an obvious need presented itself. If someone was moving the steering wheel strongly enough the car would not know the difference and will relinquish full command to the driver and if that someone was incapacitated with a seizure the results could be disastrous. I have taken a few Tesla's for a test drive recently and It does not work in reverse which I think what your question is about. I would not recommend driving until stabilized with meds and released by a doctor. Question: Do you have a service dog to assist you with premonition of one coming on, they are a blessing.

Petite mal sometimes occurs and surrounding ppl often don’t even know.
Any lose of awareness or control would be defined as grand mal. There are hundreds of types and categories of epilepsy so that makes it almost impossible to lump all seizures into one category or definition.

Like I was saying earlier, im medicated and seizure free for 2 1/2 years. Check it out again and you’ll see what I’m saying.

You’re keenly aware of the damage epilepsy can cause by experiences with your brother. He was lucky to have you with him.

 

[Cody the cat]

Man with tears in my eyes I hear you but I don't think we are there yet. Maybe someday soon. With the morons on the road with their attention focused on other distractions, electronic and otherwise it would definitely be an improvement. I lost my brother who had epilepsy in 1993, he was murdered.

I’m sorry about your brother

 

[Cody the cat]

So your doc cleared you to drive, and that is a normal vehicle? And you're concerned about you being a safety issue when you drive a tesla with the assisted driving?
Dude, where I live docs don't just say, "You might be OK to drive." But the assisted drive is some extra protection.

2 1/2 years seizure free so it wasn’t really just an ok from the doc. Interesting thing is that if you’re seizure free for 6 months they ok you to drive.
It was me that chose not to drive. My question was how autonomous would react

 

[Cody the cat]

I would first be sure that medical diagnosis is accurate. That sounds more like syncope than a seizure.

Sure.. you’re right after3 plus years the neurologist have no idea.
What shape is your kidney pace?
Im here all week

 

[Shumby]

2 1/2 years seizure free so it wasn’t really just an ok from the doc. Interesting thing is that if you’re seizure free for 6 months they ok you to drive.
It was me that chose not to drive. My question was how autonomous would react

I think it could react. There is already teck that can tell when you are not paying attention. So I would not see this being so dificult to do. It could either take over or take over and park on the side of the road. Even call 911 or call/text a loved one

 

[ReddykwRun]

Petite mal sometimes occurs and surrounding ppl often don’t even know.
Any lose of awareness or control would be defined as grand mal. There are hundreds of types and categories of epilepsy so that makes it almost impossible to lump all seizures into one category or definition.

Like I was saying earlier, im medicated and seizure free for 2 1/2 years. Check it out again and you’ll see what I’m saying.

You’re keenly aware of the damage epilepsy can cause by experiences with your brother. He was lucky to have you with him.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[PACEMD]

Sure.. you’re right after3 plus years the neurologist have no idea.
What shape is your kidney pace?
Im here all week

Without an EEG during an event or at least a witness truly experienced with seizures, the diagnosis is speculative. Even our EMS folks are not always good at differentiating seizures from similar events. Neurology is rarely physically there to witness an event unless you are in hospital. We are often left with history alone for the diagnosis. Grand mal seizures, unlike most other seizure types, induce a loss of postural tone. You fall down. But so does syncope, which has many causes. The most consistent thing with a grand mal seizure, however, is a postictal period. Meaning a period of generally 5 to 20 minutes or so returning to full cognitive awareness. That does not typically occur with syncope, with the caveat of duration of cause. Anything is possible but without that postictal period, most would be skeptical of the diagnosis. If syncope, it is encouraging to be 2-3 years event free. And assuming you had cardiac monitoring at some point. The total number of events is also an important part of the history. I'm not attempting to make a social media medical diagnosis, offer online medical advice, or to say the diagnosis of seizure is accurate or not. I am suggesting that the proposed question depends, in whole or in part, on the accuracy of the diagnosis. So there's that.......